Marco Rubio: Catholic, or Southern Baptist? Voters Deserve to Know

3 11 2010

In the wake of a historic Republican electoral night victory, the international blogosphere is abuzz over the religious affiliation(s) of one the night’s major victors: Florida Senator-Elect Marco Rubio.

Damian Thompson of the UK Telegraph reports (though he isn’t the first to do so) that Rubio and his family attend and contribute to a supposed “non-denominational” church: Christ Fellowship, in Miami.

Let us be clear from the outset: Rubio is by all accounts an honorable statesman, and a true conservative whose policy proposals seem to be informed by a profoundly Catholic Christian humanism. I supported his Senate candidacy, and he certainly deserved the Catholic vote (and others as well).

Still, one’s religious affiliation does matter; voters have a right to know what informs the ideology and worldview of their elected leaders, and to take religious affiliation into account when determining who to give their vote to. There’s also a question of honesty: Mr. Rubio has long represented himself as a practicing Catholic, both at his once-official webpage at the Florida House and personally to a good friend of mine, who met him last year at a campaign stop in Tallahassee. I also know that the Catholic clergy of Tallahassee are under the impression Rubio was, and is, one of their own.

Is Marco Rubio talking out of both sides, the better to court both the Catholic and the Evangelical votes? Or is he just one more victim of the religious indifferentism that marks so much of today’s practical Catholicism, thanks to decades of spiritual malnourishment suffered at the hands of wicked, inept, or lazy prelates? It’s a question worth asking, and here’s hoping Rubio soon answers it.

And speaking of deception, I’ve a bone to pick with this “Christ Fellowship” congregation. Not with their poaching of former or lukewarm Catholics, but with their apparent lack of truth in advertising. They are, in fact, not “non-denominational,” but are affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

Why can’t they come out and say this? Scour their website, and you’ll find no indication whatsoever that this church has a denominational affiliation, not unless one is sufficiently familiar with American denominationalism to recognize that Christ Fellowship’s creedal statement mirrors that of the SBC.

Browsing through the official SBC website’s “ChurchSearch,” I’m stunned to find that so many “community churches” which try to pass themselves off as “non-denominational” are in fact staunchly Southern Baptist. Why are these churches trying to hide their religious affiliation? Here’s one theory:

Since the 16th century, Protestants have been troubled, and rightly so, with Christian denominationalism, recognizing as they do how contrary this is to the teachings of Jesus and the orthodox Christianity of the primitive Church. They also know that Christian denominationalism is a scandal to the non-Christian and post-Christian world, and a hamper to evangelization. By claiming the ” non-denominational” mantle, churches can pass themselves off as presenting the “pure, unadulterated” Christianity free from denominational “accretions.” This is, of course, a myth. Even those (very few) churches that truly don’t have a formal denominational affiliation are themselves denominations: independent Protestant denominations, with a congregation of one. They preach a distinctive doctrine, demand submission to a particular locus of pastoral leadership, and worship according to its own set rubrics. Their votaries get to thumb their noses down at “other” so-called Christians who care so much about “denominations”; these (the supposed “non-denominational”) can avoid having their doctrine be the 0bject of easy scrutiny, for their beliefs cannot easily be pinned down: they’re “simply Christian.”

Serious religious persons should not fall for this. If one wants to be truly non-denominational, one should embrace the doctrines of Catholicism. The Catholic Church alone can claim no human founder; it is the only Christian religious system that can claim (and claim credibly) to be institutionally descended from Biblical Judaism. Every other denomination, or independent “non-denomination”, can be traced to a particular founder, at a particular date, at a particular location, and never is this Jesus Christ, AD 29, Jerusalem. The only serious rival claimant is the Orthodox Church.

In this, the post-modern age, religious and “spiritual” persons are looking to “transcend” traditional affiliations, and Christians themselves, disenchanted with denominational in-fighting, are victim to these same tendencies. As I’ve written of earlier, the solution to Protestantism’s modern crisis is not further factionalism, the better to “purify” oneself from supposedly unBiblical excesses: rather, where reversion to Christendom’s Mother Church isn’t a viable option, Protestants need to come together and question some of the assumptions of the 16th and later centuries, especially the absurd doctrine of sola scriptura. Otherwise it is doomed to endless reinvention and post-modernism.

It’s unethical for denominations like the Southern Baptist Convention (and they aren’t the only one) to hide or obscure the denominational affiliation of their local parishes. If these congregations are ashamed to associate themselves with a religion founded in 1845  for the near-sole purpose of justifying the “Biblicalness” of the African-American slave trade, then they ought to disaffiliate themselves completely and align with another existing denomination. They shouldn’t meanwhile adopt a “wolves-in-sheep’s-clothing” approach to missionary activity.

It just isn’t Christian.

UPDATE: Turns out at least one of Christ Fellowship’s satellites, in West Kendall, does identify itself openly as Southern Baptist. My point still stands: one should not have to read the fine print to know what denomination one’s church is affiliated with.


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4 11 2010
Minstrel

Whatever

4 11 2010
Joaquin Martinez

Mr. Giunta,

I have read several of your articles and I am amazed at the animosity you have against protestants. Why are you so upset that there are millions of evangelicals that choose to worship Christ apart from the Roman Catholic Church? I for one left the Catholic church after some serious theological and personal soul searching. My relationship with Jesus Christ has only flourished outside of the RCC. I love Jesus, I follow Jesus, I try to honor Him with the way I live my life. I live this way as a Southern Baptist. As a Roman Catholic I was a drunk, a drug user and so were all my Catholic friends. In Miami the majority of Catholics may be in church on Sunday but they are in the strip clubs, bars and discos on South Beach getting plastered every other night. They have premarital sex, use contraception and practice homosexuality. They then go to the confessional and receive forgiveness from a man that is just as sinful as they and go right back to doing what they were just forgiven for. This is the church and people that you think most protestants should emulate and return to? The RCC is the answer to denominationalism? God forbid. Do you really think that the way you speak of fellow believers in Christ honors our Lord Jesus? I do agree with you that mainline Protestant denominations are not Christian anymore and that is why the ordain lesbians and the like but please don’t forget the scandal that is happening all over the RCC in the whole world with the abundance of homosexual and pedophile priests. And these coming from a church with one body of doctrine and belief!! The way you argue for the RCC seems very defensive to me. My guess is that you yourself are experiencing theological concerns and doubts about the Mother church. You are well on your way to being freed from the shackles of a false religious system. Welcome to protestant world where you are indeed free in Christ. I highly recommend that you join a Southern Baptist church.

4 11 2010
lexetlibertas

Joaquin:

No animosity at all, just healthy criticism. If you’ve really read several of my pieces, you know I’m critical of my own church as well.

Your commentary is just bigoted screed. I’m supposed to believe that the majority of practicing Catholics “are in the strip clubs, bars and discos on South Beach getting plastered” every night? Puhleeze.

Also, I’ve never understood the “get-out-of-sin-free” canard vis-a-vis Catholics and the confessional. How is Evangelicalism any more immune to this criticism? At least the Catholic adulterer has to manifest sincere contrition to a human being, and go through the visible motions of repenting the sins he’s committed against God and His Church. The Evangelical can whore himself out the whole night long – so long as he repents secretly while zipping up his pants, he’s scot-free; or worse, he doesn’t even *need* to repent, since all his future sins were supposedly forgiven the moment he made his altar call! LOL

Of course, I *know* this is not a fair caricature of Evangelicalism; I’m making a point.

5 11 2010
Julie

Very good post. And very true, sadly enough. Joaquin: No thanks. God bless.

8 11 2010
bob

i too, am an ex Catholic..born and raised in Chicago. went to Catholic schools and even served as an altar boy in the 1960′s.. it was in the late 70′s that a coworker encouraged me to read the Bible, which I had never done before. After 4 yrs of reading, questioning, and asking the rcc clergy about; purgatory, indulgences , Mary’s perpetual virginity, infant baptism, etc. issues that divide Evangelicals and Catholics, I saw no Biblical support for the Catholic stand on those issues. I had to be honest with what I read. I’ve since attended a non-denominational church for 30 yrs,,raised 5 children there.. I am in agreement with most of your article concerning Rubio. he has my support no matter what his religion is. [I am hoping for higher office] he does need to state his religion clearly, but you lost me when you implied that we ”thumb our noses ” or hide our doctrinal statements. not even close. our church is in fellowship with 4 other like minded churches in our suburb, our goal is to reach people in need. our doctrinal statement is on line and in a brochure for all to read

8 11 2010
lexetlibertas

Bob:

Unless you suffer from some severe mental deficiency, it’s impossible that you were a practicing Catholic for so many years and have never been exposed to the Scriptures. Were you comatose when you assisted at Mass?! The entire rite is taken from Scripture, most of it ver baitem.

Mind if I ask what is the name of the church you currently attend?

9 11 2010
bob

I reread what I previously wrote, wondering what it was that I said to provoke such a sarcastic response from you. I have to honestly say I see nothing. But to answer you, exposure to ”the Lord be with you ” and ”lift up your hearts ” and other verses that is said at the mass is exposure, but not contextually..all those years at Catholic school, the Bible was not issued, required, never even recommended. We had catechism classes, but with a missile or missilette. ; not sure which. It was only after 4 yrs of reading the Bible, on my own not finding the support for the issues I mentioned earlier , and other issues, I had to go..it wasn’t done in haste. My testimony is familiar with many that attend community churches in Chicago, since there are many Catholics up here to begin with, and have left likewise.

9 11 2010
lexetlibertas

Bob:

The Mass is literally and liberally saturated with Scripture: not simply all the prayers, hymns, and ritual acclamations, but every Sunday liturgy features substantial readings from the Old Testament, the Psalms, the Epistles, and the Gospels. The same can be said for the daily Mass, and especially the daily Divine Office, where the Church prays all the Psalms according to a four-week cycle, with extended readings from Scripture (and Patristic commentary) in the office of Matins. Everything the Church does, from her official liturgy to paraliturgical devotions like the Rosary or the Stations of the Cross is permeated with the Bible.

This is why you have to have been comatose, and to never have entered either a Catholic bookstore or even the “Christianity” section of your local secular bookstore or library to assert that as a Catholic you were never exposed to the Bible.

I cannot speak for your personal experiences – since Catholicism is the largest religion on the planet, there’s 1.1 billion of those to go around, and impossible to paint the Church as some kind of monolith. I can only speak for my personal experiences and for the Church’s official teaching and pastoral policies. I know that every Catechism I have ever picked up encourages Bible reading and refers to Scripture throughout (usually explicitly, and always at least implicitly). I also know the Church grants the faithful indulgences for Bible reading, hardly the thing to do if you want to discourage your members from reading it!

I also find it hard to believe that during these four years you spent studying Scripture before converting to Protestantism you took seriously Catholic claims about those doctrines you mentioned. Did you read Catholic apologetical literature?

Purgatory: http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp

Indulgences:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Primer_on_Indulgences.asp
http://www.catholic.com/library/Myths_About_Indulgences.asp

Mary’s perpetual virginity: http://www.catholic.com/library/Brethren_of_the_Lord.asp

Infant Baptism: http://www.catholic.com/library/Infant_Baptism.asp

Say what you want about these doctrines, but none of them are patently unBiblical.

And what about the fact it was Catholics who *invented* the Bible to begin with, and that any serious examination of church history invariably reveals that the primitive Church was profoundly Catholic and interpreted its own Scriptures the way Catholics today do, and that mo pre-modern Christian would have recognized Evangelical Protestantism as a Christian organism, let alone an orthodox one?

9 11 2010
bob

you’re still determined to disrespect and insult me, defining me as comatose… 34 yrs ago, there was no internet to do research, so , reading the Bible for the first time , brought up several [ some aforementioned ] issues that I struggled to see biblical support for. I sought out clergy at the rc church I attended. They were kind and directed me to the verses that supported their view.,,let’s take the issue of perpetual virginity,.. Matt 1; 20-25 the Angel tells Joseph to take Mary home ”as your wife. ” later it says, ”he had no union with her, UNTIL she brought forth her firstborn Son.’ these passages and others tell me they had a normal physical relationship. I see no vss that imply otherwise. Even the priest said it was more a tradition that scripture…to me it simply makes more sense that they had relations…this will be my last email; i won’t debate somebody who chooses to insult

9 11 2010
lexetlibertas

Bob:

What I was responding to, tongue-in-cheek, was your assertion that the Catholic Church disregards the Bible in formulating her doctrines. This is manifestly untrue. There’s more ways than one to expose people to the Bible; while I cannot speak definitively to your personal experiences, I find it hard to believe the materials you were given to read in religious education classes were unscriptural, and I find it further hard to believe that between your bookstore(s) and your public library you could find no Catholic apologetical material to answer your questions. If you really were a practicing Catholic, at the very least you assisted at Mass on Sundays and holy days, and heard plenty of scripture there (more than most Evangelicals are exposed to in one of their typical Sunday services, and if you had a wallet and a real desire to know serious Catholic rejoinders to some of the sillier, and long-refuted, Evangelical objections you would have found very simple answers to questions you had. Resorting to Matthew 1:25 to refute Mary’s perpetual virginity is just ludicrous. Her perpetual virginity is an historical fact, attested to and taken for granted by nearly every early Christian writer who considered the subject, and strongly implied in Scripture itself (see the link above).

Even if you were Biblically illiterate as a Catholic, and believe(d) the clergy you spoke to were as well, it should have defied credibility for you to assume that a religion as ancient and sophisticated could not defend such basic doctrines Scripturally – when after all, the Bible itself is a product of Catholic Christianity!

10 11 2010
Drew H

Yeah, Fulton Sheen’s famous line needs to be said after reading a few of these comments. “There are only a handful of Americans who hate the Catholic Church, though there are millions who hate what they think is the Catholic Church.”

Seriously Bob, I implore you to really search history, apologetics, and your bible. Please see that the Bible does not interpret itself; it needs a human interpreter. Please see that we are not Gnostics and that we need the objective Church that stands against Hell and will never falter. Please see how the Church never hid itself and stood up against the worst trials in history. True, we had, have, and will have sinners in our Church, but that does not conflict with Christ’s prophetic statements. Challenge what you think you know is the Catholic Church. Heck, read Boettner’s “Roman Catholicism” but compare and contrast it to the Catechism, the Bible, the Church Father’s, and Catholic apologists. I doubt that you are ready for what you will see. You will see that we have been One (as Christ prayed for us to be), Holy (we have many sinners, but saints that heeded the call to holiness), Catholic (under one church we are many of the Church Militant), and Apostolic (if you know your history, Polycarp was taught by St.John aka one of the sons of thunder). I pray that one day we will be under one communion in, with, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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